Jason Yuan - Designing 99 "No"s for a single "Yes"
Key insights
Books referenced
- The Social Register - An early-1900s US directory of wealthy and influential families; Yuan cites it as a mood-board reference for the 'power and secret societies' phase of Hivemind's visual research.
Media referenced
- The Sims - other - Core early inspiration for Dot's UI - Yuan copy-pasted Sims screenshots into the app and modeled memory 'bubbles' on the game's whimsical thought bubbles.
- His Dark Materials - other - The daemon 'Damon' from the book series was considered as a company name before New Computer/Dot.
- Ace Attorney - other - Adventure video game cited as inspiration for Hivemind's early moodboarding, later tied to the product's courtroom/truth-seeking framing.
- Miiverse - other - Wii U/Wii social platform referenced as inspiration during the 'connecting the dots' exploration phase.
- ChatGPT Pulse - other - Yuan notes Dot's unshipped 2023 'dailies/guides' concept (overnight AI-generated personalized editorials) is almost exactly what ChatGPT later shipped as Pulse.
- Sex - other - Madonna's 1990 photo book, cited as a taboo/forbidden-imagery reference during Hivemind's visual research.
- Abracadabra - other - Lady Gaga single referenced for its Victorian/witchcraft imagery, part of the occult mood-board thread for Hivemind.
- The Blair Witch Project - movie - Cited for its recurring hidden sigil motif as inspiration for hidden/coded symbolism in Hivemind's brand mark.
- Beautiful - other - Christina Aguilera song written by Linda Perry; Yuan retells that the raw, insecure-sounding demo vocal take was used as the final recording because it felt more honest than the polished re-record - an anecdote he uses to explain his own creative philosophy.
- Gutenberg Bible - other - Black-letter Gothic typography from the Gutenberg Bible directly inspired Hivemind's wordmark and its use of an asterisk, echoing how modern newspaper mastheads still use black letter for authority.
Companies
- New Computer - Yuan's previous company, maker of Dot; name came from an available domain built around the word 'dot'.
- Dot - New Computer's AI personal-memory product (2023-2024), the direct design predecessor to Hivemind.
- Hivemind - Yuan's current company/product, a social AI that gathers many people's conversations to surface collective stories.
- Apple - Yuan's former employer; he references designing at Apple and the 'poem as a design brief' story from that era.
- Shopify - Yuan gave a presentation there and used AI-generated animated section headers for the deck.
- South Park Commons - Incubator/accelerator where Yuan first publicly demoed the 'lore keeper' iMessage bot prototype that led to Hivemind.
- Framer - Podcast sponsor; Yuan/Rid discuss Framer AI agents for building and managing production websites.
- Jitter - Podcast sponsor; motion design tool Rid recommends for adding polish to design portfolios.
- Dive - Rid's own talent network for designers, promoted mid-episode as a sponsor segment.
Techniques and frameworks
- 99 nos for one yes - Yuan's core creative philosophy: every shipped feature is the distilled survivor of dozens of explored-and-rejected directions.
- Exquisite corpse - Surrealist collaborative drawing technique (each person sees only the prior section) used as a metaphor for how Hivemind assembles a single narrative from many people's fragmentary accounts.
- Murmuration - Starling flocking behavior used as a visual/conceptual metaphor for high-bandwidth collective communication, informing Hivemind's bird-based visual identity.
- Taste as editing - Yuan's definition of taste as subtraction/judgment ('taste is just saying no'), contrasted with AI models' tendency to only add or patch rather than cut.
- Cinematic universe pre-production - Yuan builds a full visual/narrative 'universe' (mood images, captions, music) around a product concept before designing any actual UI or logo, to clarify what the product is before building it.
Summary
This episode of Dive Club is a visual walkthrough of designer Jason Yuan's multi-year creative arc, from his previous company New Computer's product Dot (2023-2024) through to his current company, Hivemind. Rather than a conventional interview, most of the episode has Yuan narrating screenshots of concept art, UI explorations, and mood boards that never shipped, illustrating his core philosophy: "every single thing we shipped is the distillation of the 99 nos that preceded it."
The first half traces Dot's design evolution. Early memory UI was directly modeled on The Sims, showing single-fact "bubbles" whenever the AI registered something to remember. This grew into structured cards, a "deep dot" theory-of-mind concept, and eventually "dailies" or "guides" - AI-generated personalized editorials meant to run overnight research and present it beautifully. Yuan says the team built a working version of this in 2023 but killed it because the underlying image and text generation technology wasn't yet reliable at scale; he notes ChatGPT later shipped something nearly identical as Pulse. The surviving distillation of all this work was Chronicles, described as "Wikipedia entries of your life," which Rid singles out as a favorite feature he personally used to relive memories.
The second half covers the pivot from Dot to Hivemind. After shipping Dot, Yuan rejected the "personal assistant" direction (arguing most people, unlike tech workers, aren't bottlenecked on busy-ness) in favor of "connecting the dots" between people. This led to a series of social prototypes - a group iMessage bot called "lore keeper" tested at a South Park Commons demo fair and later in New York City - which Yuan treats as informal social experiments rather than user research. The key finding: people who won't talk about themselves will readily talk about other people, which became Hivemind's central mechanic of aggregating many people's stories about each other.
Yuan then walks through Hivemind's visual identity development in detail: a "cinematic universe" of AI-generated mood images built around birds and murmuration (starling flocking as a metaphor for high-bandwidth collective communication), followed by a deliberate turn toward taboo, occult, and secret-society imagery (Madonna's Sex book, Alexander McQueen x Puma, Blair Witch Project sigils, The Social Register, Gutenberg Bible black-letter typography). The eventual logo - an asterisk - was chosen because it encodes censorship, typographic emphasis, and the implication that "there's more to the story," directly mirroring the product's premise of a public story and a hidden fuller one.
The conversation closes on broader reflections about taste and AI. Yuan defines taste as the act of subtraction and judgment ("taste is just saying no"), and argues current AI models are structurally biased toward addition and patching rather than cutting, which works against good design. He extends this into a critique of contemporary high design as increasingly "sexless" and overedited to the point of excluding real human experience (envy, lust, vice), calling that erasure its own form of slop. He closes by framing Hivemind's north star as giving people an honest signal of what others actually think, distinct from algorithmically curated feeds, and teases a larger reveal still to come.
Notable Quotes
"Every single thing we shipped is the distillation of the 99 nos that preceded it." - Jason Yuan
"Taste is just saying no. Taste is just judgment. It's going like I like this, I don't like this. And if you liked everything, then you have no taste." - Jason Yuan
"The design process is really about editing away... but the model doesn't seem to want to have an opinion on what to edit down." - Jason Yuan
"I don't like making things that are obvious. I like to make the unobvious obvious." - Jason Yuan
"The ultimate north star of hive mind is to give humanity access to a point of view that is honest about what people really think about things." - Jason Yuan